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Have some tasty metaphysics, in mono!
Leibniz thinks that the world is ultimately made up of monads, which are like atoms except nothing at all like atoms, because they’re alive, and mindful, and eternal, and windowless, placed in the best kind of harmony at the beginning of time by God. Is there a concept album in all of this?
Plus, does reading philosophy make you a better conversationalist, or just get you ostracized?
Get the reading at http://www.philosophy.leeds.ac.uk/GMR/hmp/texts/modern/leibniz/monadology/monadology.html
End song: The soothing “Healthy Song” by The MayTricks, from the 1994 album Happy Songs Will Bring You Down.






#1 by Christiana Cranberry on August 2, 2009 - 8:01 am
I like that by going through these readings again, outside of academia, you the panel gain new insight to these works. Sometimes it seems the more enlightened become more stodgy and rigid and vice versa. Keep up the good work. Your show is enlightening at the very least. Awe-inspiring at its best this show is hurtling to the top of my list.
#2 by John on August 3, 2009 - 5:36 pm
In truth, immediately i didn’t understand the essence. But after re-reading all at once became clear.
#3 by Peter on August 10, 2009 - 10:59 pm
You guys made a mistake while talking about occam’s razor. Its not the simplest explanation, its the explanation with the least assumptions. Therefore there is no metaphysical mystery to why this is true.
#4 by Mark Linsenmayer on August 11, 2009 - 12:06 am
Thanks for the comments! (Peter, I’m not sure of your point re. the context of the use of O’s Razor; are you saying that L’s account involves fewer or more assumptions than the realist account? “Simplest” and “fewest assumptions” seem to amount to the same thing in this case.)
#5 by Peter on August 11, 2009 - 12:32 pm
My point was more against Leibniz than you, and I wasn’t talking specifically about Monadology.
You were talking about how Leibniz thought Occam’s Razor pointed to the perfection of creation because the simplest answer was usually correct. He made it seem as if this were true by some metaphysical design.
I’m saying that because the razor actually talks about the least assumptions, its more of an epistemological method than an objective way to find the truth.
I do get what you mean about the two being somewhat interchangeable. The least assumptions probably means the least parts, and therefore is the simplest.
#6 by ericcaroline@cox.net on August 17, 2009 - 2:01 am
As far as music and Leibniz or more accurately Voltaire there is Bernstein’s Candide. It takes the satire to a new level and takes on the witch hunts of the 50s. The music is great; keep up the good work.
#7 by Bazmatic on September 24, 2009 - 6:05 pm
Great podcast guys.
It’s interesting that you pick up on the fictional potential of Leibniz and the whole philosophic drama that was unfolding during his time, as I found your podcast largely through an interest in Leibniz sparked from reading series of novels by SF author Neal Stephenson. His 3-volume work “The Baroque Cycle” includes Leibniz, Newton, and various other luminaries from the time. It covers “logic mills”, the “Philosophical language” (which you touch upon), and many other goodies.
BTW, “Monadology” is currently experiencing something of a rebirth through the fledgling “Process Physics” and Wolfram’s “New Kind of Science”.
#8 by Mark Linsenmayer on September 25, 2009 - 9:11 am
Thanks for listening. I’ll have to get back to Stephenson: I enjoyed Snow Crash and started Cryptonomicon, but then got sidetracked…
#9 by Jonathan on October 12, 2009 - 1:30 pm
For the interested amateur who after listening to this podcast realises he’s not supposed to like some of Ayn Rand’s work (not for the literature but the free market/socialism part) why don’t you guys do a podcast on her?
I am in Europe but know that Rand’s work is extremely popular with the public in the U.S. so imagine it would be of broad interest.
#10 by Mark Linsenmayer on October 12, 2009 - 1:32 pm
Definitely on the list!
(Probably after Adam Smith and Karl Marx, but maybe sooner…)
#11 by Kathleen Ryan on April 30, 2010 - 5:48 pm
Re your queries about future talks: I WOULD like a discussion of Frege (maybe even next to David Hilbert?) and his “use/mention/meaning/reference.” Also Bertrand Russell (the logic/mathematic stuff, since that is more challenging – for me – than the political stuff), Kurt Godel (the incompleteness theorems), and the “Gettier Problem” and other problems of epistemology. And yes, philosophy of language/mind
(all this, even though PERSONALLY I prefer hearing about history of philosophy and history of ideas, esp. in the 17-19th century, which most analytic philosophers don’t like to discuss).
#12 by Patrick Mallory on September 26, 2011 - 6:51 am
I, like many of your lay listeners, have slogged laboriously through many of your prescribed readings. I do so cheerfully because I know you have my edification at heart. In that same spirit I’m obligated to beseech you all to check out ‘The Courtier and the Heretic’ by Matthew Stewart. Seriously juicy metaphysics. From the NYTimes review:
“The mystery that grips Stewart is whether Leibniz himself believed in Spinoza’s God, cribbed his teachings (while pretending unfamiliarity with them) and cynically invented his own philosophy in reaction to Spinoza’s, to mask his secret atheism.” http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/26/books/review/26schillinger.html?pagewanted=all
With so many strong feelings about Leibniz and Spinoza among you three I have no doubt you would love this book. If you come to agree I hope you’ll comment on it here or on a future episode.
Thanks for the work you do. I love what I understand of it well enough to keep me listening when I don’t.
#13 by Blanche Nonken on January 24, 2012 - 11:26 pm
I found the podcasts a couple weeks ago and this is my new Favorite Thing To Listen To While Cleaning House. I’ve got this crazed love/hate thing going on with Heidegger, and have been trying to read *and* understand “Being and Time” since 2003. Last year I picked up “Existence and Being” and in both cases, I found the commentary more useful than the actual text in everything except what the hell picture in my head to use when reading “Dasein.”
(Growing up Observant Jewish means the idea of commentary roughly 3x the content of the original text is not alien to me, probably why my favorite translation of “The Art of War” is Leonard Giles’ – but I digress. Also with my first language actually being Yiddish, the multi-layered meanings in Dasein had me struggling more with the commentary’s interpretation than with the translation itself.)
THANK you for tearing up Heidegger. Once I finish speeding through my two books, off they go to the local library’s used book store for someone else’s decade of mental torment. I feel so much better now about never quite getting it!
#14 by dmf on January 26, 2012 - 11:31 am
blanche, if you haven’t already give Star of Redemption by Franz Rosenzweig a try.
#15 by Michael deCamp on January 27, 2012 - 5:09 pm
Just a small point: my understanding of the pre-programmed nature of monads (as opposed to MY nads) is that implicit in their not acting on each other (the rock flies toward the window, and the window flies into pieces “independently”) is that mind doesn’t “act” on the body, the body just know the steps in that particular dance.
#16 by Michael deCamp on January 27, 2012 - 5:09 pm
BTW, love the podcasts!
#17 by Russell on February 3, 2012 - 6:31 am
This guy was a great mathematician but I can’t take any of this monad stuff seriously. Wes in particular seems more intent on defending the internal consistency of Leibniz’ monadology than what should be obvious to anyone – he’s just making stuff up! Don’t forget the Newton thought he could turn base metal into gold. Show me the monad! And show me God! Make a reasonable case for either or it’s all just smoke and mirrors.